Why You'd Actually Want All Three Messaging Systems

Most people think running Kafka + Redis + RabbitMQ together is over-engineering. And 90% of the time, they're right. But if you're dealing with the kind of system where you need real-time user updates, massive event streams, and reliable task processing all in one architecture, welcome to the club.

The Reality Check

I've been running this combo for about 8 months in production, and here's the honest truth: Apache Kafka handles the firehose of events (user clicks, IoT data, whatever), Redis keeps frequently-accessed stuff fast (user sessions, real-time leaderboards), and RabbitMQ makes sure important workflows don't get lost (payment processing, notifications that actually matter).

Performance Numbers That Actually Matter

Forget the marketing specs. Here's what I see in production:

  • Kafka: Processing like 2-3 million events/hour normally - Black Friday hit us with 4M+ and everything was on fire
  • Redis: Sub-5ms response times for cache hits, which is like 95% of requests
  • RabbitMQ: Around 30k messages/second, but zero lost messages for payment workflows

Version numbers actually matter here (usually they don't): Kafka 3.x finally marked KRaft as production ready (and 4.0 is supposed to finally ditch ZooKeeper completely), RabbitMQ 4.0.x doesn't randomly crash like the 3.x versions did, and Redis 8.0 - which just went GA in July - is way faster than Redis 7.x - cut our latency almost in half.

When This Actually Makes Sense

You need this unholy trinity when you've got conflicting requirements that no single system can handle:

Real-time user features need Redis - session lookups, feature flags, live leaderboards. Anything that has to respond in under 10ms or users get pissed.

Event streaming at scale needs Kafka - audit logs, user behavior tracking, system metrics. The stuff that needs to be durable and replayable when you inevitably screw up processing.

Kafka Architecture Diagram

Critical workflows need RabbitMQ - payment processing, order fulfillment, anything that legally can't get lost. The boring but important stuff that keeps the business running.

The Gotchas That Will Bite You

Message routing is where dreams die. You need to decide upfront what goes where, or you'll end up with a mess like we had initially - audit logs scattered across two systems, payment confirmations sometimes going to Redis (facepalm).

Monitoring becomes a shitshow. You'll have Kafka metrics in one place, Redis stuff somewhere else, RabbitMQ in a third dashboard. Good luck correlating issues at 3am when everything's on fire.

Deployment coordination sucks. Three systems means three different config formats, three different scaling patterns, three different ways for your deployment to fail halfway through.

How to Actually Implement This Without Losing Your Mind

The theory is simple. The reality will make you question your career choices.

Message Routing (AKA Where Everything Goes Wrong)

The docs won't tell you this, but message routing is where everything breaks. You need to decide upfront what goes where, or you'll end up with a mess like we had:

  • Events hit Kafka first - Everything starts here. Don't try to be clever and route some events to Redis directly. I learned this the hard way when audit logs got scattered across two systems.
  • Hot data lives in Redis - Session data, user preferences, anything touched multiple times per request. But set expiration times or you'll run out of memory (ask me how I know).
  • Workflows go through RabbitMQ - Multi-step processes, anything that needs retries, payment processing. The reliability is worth the extra latency.

The Stuff That Breaks

Transaction Management: Forget about transactions across all three. It doesn't work. Design for eventual consistency and implement compensating actions for when things go sideways.

We had this one deploy where RabbitMQ was fine, Kafka was fine, but somehow payment confirmations were getting stuck in Redis for 3 hours before we realized our TTL config was fucked and messages were just sitting there expiring. Angry customers, angry CEO, really bad Tuesday.

Monitoring Hell: You need monitoring for each system plus the integration points. That's like 15 different dashboards. We use Grafana with custom alerts for cross-system message lag.

Deployment Nightmare: Three different config formats, three different scaling patterns, three different ways to fail. Use Docker Compose for local dev or you'll waste weeks getting environments consistent. Spent 3 hours debugging Connection refused errors because Docker Desktop's DNS was broken and services couldn't find each other by hostname.

Message Flow That Actually Works

Here's the message flow that actually works (took us 6 months and three production outages to figure this out):

1. All events → Kafka (durability, replay)
2. High-frequency reads → Redis (speed)
3. Multi-step workflows → RabbitMQ (reliability)

Don't do this: Events → RabbitMQ → Kafka. We tried it. RabbitMQ becomes the bottleneck immediately.

Don't do this: Critical data only in Redis. When Redis went down, we lost all user sessions during peak traffic. Nobody was happy.

Don't get creative with this pattern. We tried to be smart and route some events directly to Redis. Big mistake.

Performance Reality Check

Kafka Partition Distribution

Kafka partition hell: We started with 3 partitions per topic. Big mistake. Under load, one partition got hot and everything backed up. Now we use 12 partitions minimum, even for low-traffic topics.

Redis memory management: Set maxmemory-policy allkeys-lru or you'll get hit with NOMEMORY: command not allowed when used memory > 'maxmemory' errors right during peak traffic. We learned this during a product launch when Redis started throwing these errors every 30 seconds.

RabbitMQ queue buildup: Monitor queue depths obsessively. When a consumer crashes, messages pile up fast. We've had queues with 500k+ messages that took hours to drain.

Security That Doesn't Suck

Three systems means three authentication mechanisms. Here's the minimal setup that works:

Skip OAuth unless you absolutely need it. The token refresh logic with three systems is a nightmare to debug.

Technology Comparison Matrix (The Real Version)

What You Actually Care About

Kafka 3.x

Redis 8.x

RabbitMQ 4.0.x

What It's Actually Good For

Event firehose, audit logs, data pipelines that never stop

Caching, session storage, anything that needs to be stupid fast

Task queues, workflows, anything that can't get lost

Realistic Throughput

Millions/sec (if your disk doesn't hate you)

Sub-millisecond response times

50k/sec (more than you think, less than you hoped)

When It Breaks

Partition reassignment hell, disk space problems

Runs out of RAM, then everything dies

Queue buildup, memory leaks in older versions

Setup Pain Level

Medium (ZooKeeper is finally dead)

Easy (just don't run out of memory)

Easy (until you need clustering)

Monitoring Nightmare Level

High (partition lag, consumer lag, broker health)

Medium (memory, slow queries, evictions)

Medium (queue depth, message rates)

"It Should Just Work" Factor

LOL no

Usually yes

Mostly yes

Cloud vs Self-Hosted

MSK is expensive but worth it

ElastiCache works great

Managed versions are meh

When You'll Regret Using It

Need low latency, small scale

Need durability, complex routing

Need millions of messages/sec

Memory Requirements

Moderate (loves page cache)

ALL THE RAM

Reasonable

Ops Complexity

High (rebalancing, partition management)

Low (until clustering)

Medium (until queues blow up at 2am)

Recovery From Failure

Slow (partition reassignment)

Fast (restart and reload)

Medium (queue rebuild)

Documentation Quality

Dense but comprehensive

Actually readable

Good with examples

Community Support

Huge (Confluent ecosystem)

Excellent

Good but you're basically on your own

Learning Curve

Steep (lots of concepts)

Gentle

Moderate

FAQ (The Questions You Actually Have)

Q

"Do I Really Need All Three of These?"

A

Probably not. Seriously, start with one or two. I only ended up with all three because we started with Kafka for events, added Redis when response times sucked, and brought in RabbitMQ when we needed guaranteed delivery for payments. If your app serves a few thousand users, just use Redis and call it a day.

Q

"How Do I Not Screw Up Message Routing?"

A

The hard way: lots of debugging at 3am when messages end up in the wrong system. The smart way: draw a diagram with your team showing what type of message goes where, then put that in your documentation because you'll forget in 3 months.Events → Kafka, cache → Redis, workflows → RabbitMQ. Stick to this unless you have a really good reason not to.

Q

"What About When Everything Breaks?"

A

It will. Here's what usually happens:

  • Kafka partitions get unbalanced and one broker becomes the bottleneck
  • Redis runs out of memory and starts evicting your session data
  • RabbitMQ queues back up and you get angry Slack messages about slow payments

Have runbooks. Set up alerts. Practice your incident response. The monitoring tools are all different, so good luck correlating issues across three different shitty dashboards.

Q

"Is This Actually Worth the Operational Overhead?"

A

For us, yes. We went from 4-5 second page loads to under 500ms, and payment processing went from "sometimes messages get lost" to "it just works." But we also have three people who understand this architecture. If you don't have dedicated ops people, maybe reconsider.

Q

"How Do I Test This Frankenstein Architecture?"

A

Integration testing is a nightmare. We use Testcontainers to spin up all three systems for testing, which works but takes 2 minutes to start up. For local development, Docker Compose with resource limits so you don't kill your laptop.

End-to-end testing with realistic data volumes is basically impossible locally, so we have a staging environment that costs us $800/month just for testing.

Q

"What About the Cloud Versions?"

A

AWS MSK for Kafka works but is expensive. ElastiCache for Redis is solid. Amazon MQ for RabbitMQ is... fine. The managed versions save you operational headache but cost 3-4x more than self-hosted.

Google and Azure have similar offerings. They all work fine, pick based on where your other stuff lives.

Q

"How Do I Handle Schema Changes Without Breaking Everything?"

A

Version your shit from day one or you'll hate yourself later. We're using Kafka's Schema Registry, but honestly just putting version numbers in message headers works fine and is way simpler.

Don't change schemas during peak hours. We pushed a schema change at 2pm on Wednesday that broke every consumer with the error Incompatible schema version: expected 1.2, got 1.1. Took 45 minutes to rollback while orders piled up.

Q

"What's the Worst That Can Happen?"

A

Message loops. Don't ask me how, but we once had messages bouncing between RabbitMQ and Kafka creating an infinite loop. Took down our entire message infrastructure for 3 hours. Always include message hop counts and TTL.

Also, cascading failures. When one system goes down, the others get overloaded with retry traffic. Design circuit breakers into everything.

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