Forget useState Hell

React Router Remix Architecture

HTML forms used to work before we decided everything needed to be a SPA. Then we spent years building elaborate client-side state management to recreate... HTML forms.

Ryan Florence watched this circus for long enough and said fuck it. Remix loads your data on the server before the page renders. Forms submit to the server like they did in 2003. No useState waterfalls, no useEffect soup, no debugging why your form submission triggered 3 re-renders.

// This is the whole fucking form
<form method=\"post\">
  <input name=\"email\" />
  <button>Subscribe</button>
</form>

Server gets the POST, validates the email, saves it, responds. Your JavaScript can be completely broken and the form still works. Mind-blowing concept in 2025.

What Actually Breaks When You Deploy

Your loader returns raw JavaScript objects instead of JSON responses. The browser gets confused, users see [object Object] on the screen, and you spend 3 hours figuring out you forgot to wrap shit in json():

// This breaks mysteriously
return { projects: data }

// This works 
return json({ projects: data })

FormData from multi-select inputs is pure hell. form.get('tags[]') returns only the first tag, not all of them. Took me a full day to figure out you need form.getAll('tags') instead. The error? "Tags is undefined" with no indication why.

AWS Lambda kills your loaders after 30 seconds with Task timed out after 30.00 seconds. Vercel Edge Functions die after 10 seconds with FUNCTION_INVOCATION_TIMEOUT. CloudFlare Workers timeout at 15 seconds with Error 1102: Worker threw exception.

Your slow PostgreSQL query works fine locally with 50ms response time. In production with connection pooling and network latency it takes 12 seconds and dies with Error: Client has already been released back to the pool.

The React Router v7 Shitshow

December 2024: They killed Remix as a brand and made it React Router v7. "Just change your imports" they said. Took three weeks to unfuck the migration. Every @remix-run/* import broke. TypeScript threw Property 'loader' does not exist on type 'RouteObject' errors in 47 different files.

The worst part? remix-utils v7.6.0 completely broke with React Router v7.0.2. Every useSubmit() call started throwing TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'submit'). Took a week for the community package to catch up.

Docker builds failed because remix build doesn't exist anymore - it's now react-router-serve build or npx react-router build depending on what phase of the migration you're in. CI/CD scripts that worked for months suddenly started failing with command not found: remix.

Half the Stack Overflow answers still reference @remix-run/node imports that don't exist. Even official Shopify blog posts haven't been updated.

Shopify Owns It Now

Shopify bought this in 2022 so it won't die. But the roadmap now serves e-commerce over everything else. Need better file upload handling? Too bad, Shopify cares more about checkout flows than your PDF upload form.

The good news: it runs anywhere. AWS Lambda, Vercel, CloudFlare Workers, your shitty DigitalOcean droplet. No vendor lock-in like Next.js pushing you toward Vercel every chance they get.

Server-First Data Flow Diagram

Why I Still Use This Shit

Because HTML forms work like HTML forms should work. Your data loads on the server where it belongs. You don't debug useState waterfalls or worry about hydration mismatches.

Until product asks for "real-time validation" and you end up rebuilding half of it as client-side React anyway. Then you question why you didn't just use Next.js like a normal person.

Framework Reality Check: What Actually Breaks

What You Need

Remix

Next.js

SvelteKit

Winner

Forms that work

HTML forms actually work

Client-side circus

HTML forms work

Remix

  • shocking concept

Bundle size

180KB React overhead

280KB+ disaster

45KB total

SvelteKit

  • not even close

Hiring developers

Good luck

Everyone knows React

Good luck finding Svelte devs

Next.js

  • by default

Deploy without crying

Works everywhere

Vercel or suffer

Adapter roulette

Remix

  • actually portable

Real-time features

Doesn't exist

API routes work

DIY hell

Next.js

  • only option

Learning curve

Server-first mindfuck

More React patterns

New syntax + concepts

Next.js

  • least pain

Build speed

8 seconds

45+ seconds

3 seconds

SvelteKit

  • Vite wins

Breaking changes

React Router v7 disaster

Constant churn

Stable

SvelteKit

  • surprisingly

The Shit That Breaks After You Deploy

Remix Architecture Diagram

Nested Routes Are Beautiful Until They Aren't

Your nested routes look elegant in development. Seven levels deep, data loading in parallel, no loading spinners cluttering the UI:

/dashboard/projects/123/tasks/456/comments/789

Then loader #4 throws a database timeout and the whole route tree dies with TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'id'). The stack trace shows:

at react-dom@18.2.0/cjs/react-dom.production.min.js:18:17891
at Object.callback (react-dom@18.2.0/cjs/react-dom.production.min.js:18:19051)
at Object.invokeGuardedCallbackDev (react-dom@18.2.0/cjs/react-dom-server.browser.development.js:61:16)

Spent 6 hours debugging what turned out to be WHERE project_id = null in a SQL query. The actual error connection has been closed never makes it to the browser - just generic React minified bullshit pointing to line 18,000 of production code.

When the comments loader fails, users get bounced back to /dashboard with no indication what broke. Error boundary just shows "Something went wrong" instead of "Database connection timed out in comments loader".

Progressive Enhancement Dies at First Product Meeting

Basic HTML forms work without JavaScript. Impressive demo material. Then product asks for "real-time validation like Gmail" and your web standards philosophy goes out the window.

You try to build multi-step wizards with plain HTML forms. FormData doesn't handle nested objects, so your complex forms become a serialization nightmare. File uploads need custom handling that breaks the "just use HTML" promise.

End result? Half your forms are regular React components with useState and custom validation because HTML forms from 1995 don't meet 2025 UX expectations.

But hey, at least the contact form works without JavaScript.

Lambda Timeouts at the Worst Possible Moments

AWS Lambda cold starts kill your loaders with this exact error:

2024-08-24T14:25:33.239Z e8f7b9a1-1234-5678-9abc-def012345678 Task timed out after 10.00 seconds

But only on the first request after 5 minutes of inactivity. Next 100 requests work fine in 200ms. Your CloudWatch logs show 99.2% success rate while users tweet screenshots of timeout errors.

RDS connection pooling fails with ETIMEDOUT during cold starts because Lambda needs 3 seconds to establish database connections. Provisioned concurrency at $43.83/month per always-warm instance fixes it but doubles your AWS bill.

CloudFlare Workers are $5/month until you need to store session data, then KV storage costs eat your entire budget. No filesystem access means file uploads need elaborate workarounds that break the "deploy anywhere" promise.

Real-Time Features Don't Exist

Server-first philosophy falls apart the moment you need live data. No WebSockets, no real-time anything. You're stuck with polling every 5 seconds or building elaborate Server-Sent Events setups.

Try building a chat app or collaborative editor in Remix. You'll end up importing Socket.io and questioning why you chose a server-first framework that can't handle real-time data.

Real-time Data Updates Flow

The Only Good Part: Deployment Flexibility

Remix runs anywhere JavaScript runs. AWS Lambda, Vercel, CloudFlare Workers, your crusty DigitalOcean droplet. No vendor lock-in like Next.js constantly pushing you toward Vercel.

A $20 VPS with PM2 handles more traffic than Lambda without the cold start bullshit. You manage SSL certificates yourself but at least your app doesn't randomly timeout during demos.

Why I Keep Using This Despite Everything

Because when it works, it fucking works. Your data loads before the page renders. Forms submit without breaking. No useState waterfalls to debug at 3am.

Until you need real-time features, complex forms, or anything beyond basic CRUD apps. Then you're back to building custom solutions that defeat the whole "simple HTML forms" philosophy.

The React Router v7 rebrand in December 2024 broke every tutorial and Stack Overflow answer. But at least Shopify owns it now so it won't get abandoned like all the other JavaScript frameworks I've learned and forgotten.

Real Questions from Developers Who Actually Use This

Q

Is Remix dead?

A

They killed the brand in December 2024 and made it React Router v 7. Same code, different marketing. "Just change your imports" was a fucking lie

  • took 3 weeks to fix the migration. Every @remix-run/* import broke, Type

Script threw errors everywhere, and half my deployment scripts needed rewriting.Still finding broken tutorials that point to old documentation. But it's not going anywhere since React Router isn't going anywhere.

Q

Should I use Remix or Next.js?

A

Use Next.js if you want to get hired. Every React developer knows it and Stack Overflow has answers. Use Remix if you're tired of debugging useState waterfalls and want forms that work like the web intended. Use SvelteKit if you actually care about bundle sizes.

Q

Does Remix do real-time features?

A

No. Server-first philosophy doesn't include real-time anything. No WebSockets, no live updates, no collaborative features. You'll end up building your chat app with Socket.io and wondering why you picked a server-first framework that can't handle live data.There's Server-Sent Events but good luck explaining to your team why they need to learn yet another API pattern.

Q

Will migrating from Next.js break everything?

A

Yes. You're not just changing frameworks

  • you're changing how you think about React apps. No more use

State everywhere, no more useEffect chains, no more client-side data fetching.Senior React developers who've spent years mastering client-side patterns suddenly need to think like it's 2005 again. Budget triple your estimates and prepare for therapy.

Q

Where can I deploy this?

A

Anywhere that runs Node.js, which is everywhere. AWS Lambda until cold starts kill your demo. Vercel until bandwidth costs kill your budget. CloudFlare Workers until session storage costs kill your startup.A cheap VPS works better than all the fancy serverless bullshit, but then you're managing servers like a caveman.

Q

Can I use Remix for static sites?

A

What the fuck is wrong with you? It's called React Router now and it's for dynamic web apps. Use Astro or Next.js SSG or just write HTML files like a normal person.Remix without server-side logic is like buying a Ferrari to sit in traffic.

Q

Does SEO work?

A

Yeah, server-side rendering gives Google actual HTML instead of a blank page that says "Loading...". Meta tags work for social sharing. It's better than client-side React, worse than static HTML.

Q

How hard is it to learn?

A

If you only know client-side React: prepare for pain. I watched a senior developer spend 8 hours debugging why useEffect doesn't run on the server.The mental model shift breaks people who think everything is a client-side component. You're back to thinking about HTTP requests and form submissions like it's 2005.

Q

Does it work without JavaScript?

A

Basic forms and links work. Everything else breaks. Progressive enhancement sounds great until product wants dropdown menus and modal dialogs.70% of your app ends up needing JavaScript anyway. The "works without JS" thing is more marketing than reality.

Q

Is it actually faster?

A

Faster initial page load, slower everything after that. Your data loads on the server so first paint happens quickly. But every navigation is a full page reload unless you add JavaScript back in.Database performance matters more than framework choice. When Postgres is slow, everything is slow.

Q

Who actually uses this?

A

Shopify owns it and uses it for their admin. Some parts of GitHub. A few startups that bet on server-first before it was cool.Not exactly mainstream adoption but not dead either. Most companies stick with Next.js because hiring React developers is easier than explaining server-first philosophy.

Q

Can I use my existing REST API?

A

You can but you'll hate yourself. Remix wants to be your entire backend. External APIs mean building proxy routes and losing the server-side benefits.It works best when you control the whole stack or can rewrite your API as Remix actions. Otherwise you're fighting the framework.

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